Editor's Note: Received 8/14 CURRENT_MEETING_REPORT_ Reported by John Veizades/Apple Minutes of the IP over AppleTalk Working Group (APPLEIP) A proposal was made to limit the discussion to only old items, new business should be brought up either in future BOFs or when a specific Working Group is formed to discuss the issue. MacIP o Status and comments on the Evans-Ranch Document. o Could the Thursby DecNET model be used for MacIP-2? o Specific protocol description without any implementation details. o Implementation hints should be in the appendix of the document. o Goal for MacIP 2 to make customers happy. o Is there a desire or need to do anything more than document the current working model? o Time line for completion of this effort Proposed Standard by November IETF to the Working Group Chair. IP over LTalk IP over the localtalk Chris Ranch (Novell) wants to experiment with it. General Appletalk MIB o Discussion of DDP forwarding table and an understanding of the next hop gateway. o Add Diffs to 1243. AURP AFP o Little to say. o Posted to pacer ftp in the next few weeks with differences from the previous specification. MacIP MIB Presented and will be published to the list for comments. 1 SNMP Status of SNMP over DDP o Being discussed in the Multiprotocol SNMP Group. o Going to Proposed Standard. AURP o Status of implementations. o Document to be published as an informational RFC. o Added Device hiding, ZIP storm, Backup paths, etc. o Implementation notes to be added to document. o Roll out at WWDC, InterOp DC, MacTivity, InterOp SF. o Shiva, Novell, Cayman and Apple are interoperating. o Contact Craig Brenner or Alan O at Apple to interoperate at InterOp SF. PPP o Really close to being a 100 percent done to be proposed as a Standard. o Interoperability ?? Cayman has some of this done. Greg Burell and Routers Codification of the bringing up of a router. AppleTalk Routing Issues What's next? Apple wants to come up with an advance routing protocol (local). Should have scalability, load balancing, type of service routing, no hop count limit, multicast routing. Link state vs. distance vector? Based on a Standard with a transition strategy. Apple will work independently, with Standards groups and with individual organizations. No commitment to use what comes out of the Standards Group. Working Group Status- Greg Minshall o NO forum for the discussion of AppleTalk issues in a public forum. o How does Apple fit into this structure. How does the IETF fit into this. o We have a Group of Working Groups that could take over this work. 2 Have to present this to the IESG. Charters and presentation to the IESG by November IETF o NO decision making apparatus. o Need to meet with Phil Gross and Vint Cerf. Noel and AppleTalk in the IETF o History of the AppleTalk proposed at the Santa Fe IETF and was discussed with Apple. o Where is AppleTalk going in the long run... Do we always maintain a completely separate protocol stack. o Proposed to Vint - do we move to a common layer three or even four? o There must be a statement of where AppleTalk is going in the long run to get buy in from the IESG. o Protocols that relate closely to the IETF sphere of protocols then the protocol can fall under the IETF- AppleTalk and IS to IS falls far a field of this. Attendees Atul Bansal bansal@wile.enet.dec.com James Beers beers@nr-tech.cit.cornell.edu Rich Brown Richard.E.Brown@Dartmouth.edu Gregory Bruell gob@wellfleet.com Philip Budne phil@shiva.com Cyrus Chow cchow@orion.arc.nasa.gov Tim Cleveland tac@lkg.dec.com Peter DiCamillo Peter_DiCamillo@brown.edu Karen Frisa karen.frisa@andrew.cmu.edu Bob Jeckell rrj@3com.com Miriam Kadansky mckadansky@eng.xyplex.com Hock-Koon Lim lim@po.cwru.edu Joshua Littlefield josh@cayman.com Greg Merrell merrell@caldec.enet.dec.com Beth Miaoulis beth@cayman.com Greg Minshall minshall@wc.novell.com Alan Oppenheimer oppenheime1@applelink.apple.com J. Bradford Parker brad@cayman.com Christopher Ranch cranch@novell.com Tom Reuther reuther@nac.dec.com 3 Mike Ritter mwritter@applelink.apple.com Sam Roberts sroberts@farallon.com Guenter Roeck roeck@conware.de Frank Slaughter fgs@shiva.com Timon Sloane peernet!timon@uunet.uu.net Evan Solley evan@farallon.com Brad Steinka brad@microcom.com David Stine dstine@cisco.com Wayne Tackabury wft@pacersoft.com John Veizades veizades@apple.com Steven Waldbusser waldbusser@andrew.cmu.edu Jesse Walker walker@eider.lkg.dec.com Jonathan Wenocur jhw@shiva.com 4